Juicing and vitamin B12.

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Re: Juicing and vitamin B12.

Postby aztwitchy on January 19th, 2013, 10:43 pm

neuromyotonia falls under the BFS umbrella, they can do bloodwork to see if you have antibodies that cause issues with voltage gated sodium channels...the bloodwork is expensive and a lot of times out of network for the big health insurance plans...symtomps are similar to BFS symptoms, maybe a little more severe. Mostly affects men I believe. Its very tough to diagnose as the blood tests aren't always accurate and its an excruciatingly long EMG that needs to be done by someone who knows neuromyotonia pretty well. treatment is generally the same as what people would do with BFS depending on severity of symtpoms. its pretty rare and most of us simply don't have it.
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Re: Juicing and vitamin B12.

Postby jerry2 on January 21st, 2013, 12:21 pm

BFSBurger: Could you tell me which joicer do you use and what kind of raw vegetables you use?
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Re: Juicing and vitamin B12.

Postby BFSBurger on January 25th, 2013, 11:04 pm

Hi Jerry -

Sorry im so bad at finding my old threads and replying in them.

I got mine off Amazon. Just picked the one with the highest ratings and it was this one: http://www.amazon.com/Omega-J8006-Nutri ... ega+juicer

Omega J8006. It really is a pleasure to use and to clean - so simple.

Im glad you're considering this but I fear you asked me that question prior to your orange juice fast. Hopefully you're still willing to give the vegetable thing a try.

1) Please get only organic veggies. Its important you dont ingest pesticides in this process. Especially with the volume of juice involved.

Daily I do:

1) I head of broccoli chopped up
2) 1 Green and 1 Red Pepper whole (not the core or seeds)
3) Two carrots
4) 5 whole leaves of Green Kale (there are many kinds -- the darker the green leaf the better)
5) 5 whole leaves of Shard (also extremely green so very good for you)
6) 1 apple (do not put the seeds in - they have cyanide)
7) Celery, Cucumber

The goal for me has been rather arbitrary. I picked 1 glass - 12 oz .... twice a day. So when I get up, I spend about 20 minutes and I make about 24 ounces of juice. Split it into two. Have the first 12 oz glass in the morning and the second 12 oz glass in the evening.

The collection tray under the juicer holds exactly 24 ounces when its filled to the brim. So you can use that as your guide.

I know its an expensive device, but I truly believe if you make it part of your lifestyle, it will do amazing things for your health long term. In other words - worth it.

Also don't expect anything immediately. This is a process of making a flood of nutrients available to the billions of cells in your body .... probably for the first time. They need to recognize and begin to use the phytonutrients, and begin the work of repairing all the things in you that aren't working optimally. That can take weeks. I started feeling better at about the 1 month mark of juicing.
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Re: Juicing and vitamin B12.

Postby jerry2 on January 26th, 2013, 3:55 pm

Thanx a lot for the info, I'll look into it. I have to see if your juicer is slow rotating or the old fast rotating type, 1 or 2 blades etc... Here the better slow rotating juicers are from 400 to 1200 EURO. A lot yes.

You use all this vegetables raw? Raw broccoli is eatable?

I am still into it, although I am now a twitching christmas tree after I did the fasting :-U

I guess the juice doesn't taste good, but it doesn't matter at all ;-) I am thinking into trying it but I know it will be a problem if kitchen will be a mess and I'll need 1 hour of cleaning the juicer. Problem is all videos I saw for juicers, they take a lot of time to clean.

But vegetable juicing is not all you do I guess. I believe food is very important, if it is not coincidence, I flared myself up big time now. What do you eat btw?

And thanx for taking the time to respond to me.
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Re: Juicing and vitamin B12.

Postby BFSBurger on January 27th, 2013, 1:10 pm

jerry2 wrote:Thanx a lot for the info, I'll look into it. I have to see if your juicer is slow rotating or the old fast rotating type, 1 or 2 blades etc... Here the better slow rotating juicers are from 400 to 1200 EURO. A lot yes.

Its slow rotating. I saw the same information on slow versus fast and this one was recommended.

You use all this vegetables raw?

Yes all raw. We have a store called Whole Foods here (its primarily natural organic foods) and in their veggie section they've got two labels on everything: "Conventional" and "Organic". I ignore conventional even if it has things I want to include. I only take the organic. The pesticides alone used with "conventional" veggies can cause all our symptoms, so I avoid them (as well as the monthly pest spraying they offer in my building). I just take them off the shelf and bring them home. But you must wash everything thoroughly. I've gotten into a pattern where that is pretty quick and easy now. Just rinse everything before pushing into the juicer.

Raw broccoli is eatable?

Definitely. Ever been to a picnic or BBQ and they have the veggie dip? Raw everything, including broccoli. :) I juice the stem as well. Cut the stem off, then cut the head into several pieces and feed into the juicer ("that's what she said") Broccoli is one of the handful of veggies that has anti inflammatory properties so I think its mandatory for BFS'ers who want to juice. You might Google "Anti inflammatory vegetables" for others you can include. I believe its huge for us.

I am still into it, although I am now a twitching Christmas tree after I did the fasting :-U

I was a Christmas tree after my panic attack a couple weeks ago and it still lingers a bit. I was doing so well before that. But sleep is a big factor too. I haven't been getting a solid 8-10 hours a night and that creates inflammation in your system. So I'm getting more sleep and everything is calming down again. I really think once you get everything calmed down, the goal at that stage is to go as long as you can in that "state" of calmness. The longer you go, hopefully the less trigger happy your system will be to twitching. That's how I'm approaching this at least.

I guess the juice doesn't taste good, but it doesn't matter at all ;-)

Honestly its not bad at all. But that's why I put an apple in. It will make the juice taste good. If you can tolerate without an apple, then even better. But apples have a ton of medicinal benefits, so they are the one fruit I'm okay adding. don't worry about the taste. If you can drink beer, you can drink vegetable juice, which doesn't taste like *beep* :)

I am thinking into trying it but I know it will be a problem if kitchen will be a mess and I'll need 1 hour of cleaning the juicer. Problem is all videos I saw for juicers, they take a lot of time to clean.

That's why i recommend the Omega one. takes me exactly 2 minutes to clean. I am thinking of making a video and posting it, but I have nobody to hold the iPhone LOL.

But vegetable juicing is not all you do I guess. I believe food is very important, if it is not coincidence, I flared myself up big time now. What do you eat btw?

Over the months I took note of what made me worse after i ate, and I made a blacklist. not surprisingly - gluten foods seem to do this the most. LaurentCH is another guy on here who has nailed it, and his findings are the same. Cereals and breads and pastas are on the blacklist. I love all of them so I am very angry at this blacklist LOL ... but cutting that stuff out will make a monstrous difference. Try it. No pizza, no pasta, no bread, no cereal. Anything whole grain or grain related or pasta noodles related. Celiac disease is very similar to all of this and its simply the fact that Gluten, over time, for some people, begins to damage intestinal cells, and ultimately can be neurotoxic.

Start to see what foods increase your twitching 30 minutes to an hour after eating them. I bet you've noticed your twitching increases after some meals? Well there you go. You have cause an effect. BFS *beep* me off because there was no cause and effect for so long. Now there is. Note what sets you off, and stop doing it.
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Re: Juicing and vitamin B12.

Postby jerry2 on January 28th, 2013, 2:18 am

Thank you for all the inside. My problem is that none of the food seem to corellate to my twitching. None. It seems like food does not trigger it so after 30 minutes meal nothing makes my symptoms worse. The only correlation I saw is I got twitching far worse after the fasting with this 2 juices I mentioned.

I never did the raw broccoli dip, no ;-)

Now I am also not eating gluten but that makes 90% of the food non eatable ;-(( Pizza, pasta, like you said :-( THe most wierd thing is since end of my fasting I really got a bad flare in my intestines also. I have so much flatulence every evening it is hard (and too graphical anyway) to describe it. That is wierd since I don't eat gluten and sugar at the moment, what makes this gases then :-( Because I could have car on gas at the moment and drive for free ;-)

The juicer you have is not available in Europe, unfortunately, not even for 3x the price. Some juicers have 1 blade some have 2 blades. 2 blades seems to be better than one but I guess one is enough, the 2 blades systems are VERY expensive here. 2 minutes to clean it up, that's great!

BTW: What is a shard? My dictionary doesn't have that word. Well, it has, it is said to be "a piece".

PS - We seem to have this juicer under the name 8226 (22 is for 220 Volts) ;-) I am deciding between this one and Huron 5000 juicer. Seems this one is easier to clean and Huron is a little more sophisticated ;-)
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Re: Juicing and vitamin B12.

Postby Yuliasir on January 28th, 2013, 3:27 am

Hi jerry:)
regarding gas :) I am sure you still eat some starch containing products (if you try to quit glutene, then you must be on rice/beans/potatoes, I believe, or other starch reach food) - but starch is polysaccharide and in the guts it is desintegrated down to olygosacharides and monosacharides on which your gut flora can proliferate. Another good source of gas is proteine (and in that case gas is reach in hydrohen sulphite, which does not make life better).
But you can not exclude ALL products from the ration, so looks like you need a real scientific approach...
Did you told to any medical nutritionist? Because you can have many common ideas (including suspected gluten intolerance) but instead just make things worse with weird diets.
On the other side I must admit that those troubles are very stubborn to treat and doctros might also have very veird ideas about how to treat your guts :( but at least maybe you might go through well thought program to determine what real food intolerances you have (including lactose one which is quite frequent in the middle and southern Europe) - however not so total as in China :))) )
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Re: Juicing and vitamin B12.

Postby jerry2 on January 28th, 2013, 3:35 am

I did some home test for intolerances from blood and I wasn't really intolerant to anything, but I think something is making my gut miserable for so many years... It all happened after I poisioned from old toilet hoses when we made a new bathroom. I was so much poisioned I thought I will be dead by evening. I throw up every 5 minutes and I had wated from my back every 5 minutes. I has such nausea I could not stand up but could only crawl on my knees. It lasted for 12 hours. 3 months later I got chronic stomac/colon problems. Now they are not that bad but they flair from time to time and the fasting was not a good idea for me.

No, I don't eat potatoes now. I use Montignac diet now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montignac_diet if you want to take a look at what this is.

I eat a lot of nuts now, dry fruits etc.
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Re: Juicing and vitamin B12.

Postby Yuliasir on January 28th, 2013, 4:25 am

dry fruits might be enought for flatulence (raisins, dry apricots etc.), also food rich for fiber causes the same effect :)
I love dried apricots but can not eat more than 4 pieces once in few month - othervise I have severe gas troubles and immediate diarrohea...
it is so sad.
because I love them as I said... Same for prunes :(

I can eat only ginger sweats without any noticeable bad consequences, but they contain a hell of sugar...
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Re: Juicing and vitamin B12.

Postby jerry2 on January 28th, 2013, 4:40 am

Well, at the end of the day there is no food I can eat and feel ok :-(
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Re: Juicing and vitamin B12.

Postby Yuliasir on January 28th, 2013, 6:45 am

I think it is just the matter of amount ;)))

really feel sad that you have troubles in that important part of the body. food is a great pleasure...
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Re: Juicing and vitamin B12.

Postby jerry2 on January 28th, 2013, 6:56 am

Thanx. If that would be the only part of body I would have problems, it would not be so bad ;-)
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Re: Juicing and vitamin B12.

Postby BFSBurger on January 28th, 2013, 12:02 pm

Nuts and dry fruits cause crazy flatulence. I can't eat trail mix without having enough gas to power a nuclear submarine.

Raisins and dried fruits like that are almost pure fiber and fiber causes flatulence.

Jerry what happens if you eat chicken breast and stir fry veggies with nothing on it?

Still problems? Thats my safest meal. Zero issues after.

Interesting to see the intestinal tie once again. Just like seventhcandle - food sets him off. LaurentCH, me, ...
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Re: Juicing and vitamin B12.

Postby aztwitchy on January 28th, 2013, 12:55 pm

jerry2 wrote:I did some home test for intolerances from blood and I wasn't really intolerant to anything, but I think something is making my gut miserable for so many years... It all happened after I poisioned from old toilet hoses when we made a new bathroom. I was so much poisioned I thought I will be dead by evening. I throw up every 5 minutes and I had wated from my back every 5 minutes. I has such nausea I could not stand up but could only crawl on my knees. It lasted for 12 hours. 3 months later I got chronic stomac/colon problems. Now they are not that bad but they flair from time to time and the fasting was not a good idea for me.

No, I don't eat potatoes now. I use Montignac diet now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montignac_diet if you want to take a look at what this is.

I eat a lot of nuts now, dry fruits etc.



wow jerry....was this poisoning before your BFS symptoms? Have you consulted a digestive specialist?
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Re: Juicing and vitamin B12.

Postby chicagobfs on January 28th, 2013, 1:31 pm

http://www.ukjuicers.com/samson-advance ... 9005-black. This look very similar to what burger has, if not the same.
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