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Chinese medicine

Postby jerry2 on January 30th, 2012, 4:13 pm

Did anybody ever look at this our problem the Eastern medicine way? I have found very similar symptoms in something that is called liver energy block in Chinese medicine. Symptoms are: numbness, muscle pain, stifness, twitching, stomach and digestive problems... Seems familiar to me... But it is the blockage of the energy not the blood, so the western medicine does not see this in tests. The liver energy problem with being to low is usually caused by the ANGER feeling.

I don't say I am a believer, but I am starting to believe western medicine can not help my condition or even diagnose it. I was at the doctor for feet today (we really don't have special doctory but he works in fisiatric work and sells foot orthontics, he should know feet quite good) about my pain, I walked in some special shoes. I do have some flat feet and put too much pressure on heel and big toe when walking, but all in all this is mild, he couldn't find any severe damage to my feet yet now even my right ankle hurts, same "bloody" muscle that goes from inner arch so I have trouble twitsing my feet inward because of the medial ankle pain I get :-(

I am finaly giving up any hope western medicine know what is wrong with me (I haven't even mentioned twitching in feet to the doctor), so I was looking at this Chinese medicine articles.

I found another wierd theory about our souls leaving our bodies if they are hurt, at night so that is why I may have vivid dreams that make me more tired then rested in the morning... And I am shaking when my soul is returning to my body that is why I have tremor because the soul is returning to fast. Anyway, anyone can believe what he or she wants, this I don't "buy". The Chinese medicine on the other hand, seems promising, but in my country there are no such specialists.

Anybody tried anything like this for our problems?
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Re: Chinese medicine

Postby chrissi on January 30th, 2012, 4:21 pm

i am getting acupuncture and herb tea twice a day, as part of my therapy
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Re: Chinese medicine

Postby jerry2 on January 30th, 2012, 4:23 pm

What kind of herb tea, some special mixture? Does it help?
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Re: Chinese medicine

Postby wjjw on January 30th, 2012, 6:04 pm

jerry2 wrote:Did anybody ever look at this our problem the Eastern medicine way?

Yes. I've used Chinese herbs, acupuncture, and qigong. But the problem is, since BFS is so erratic, it's difficult to determine if these really work, or just happened to coincide with a quiet period. I can only say this--on three cycles of trying Qigong then stopping, I noted a decrease in symptoms during the intervals that I was doing it. At one point after 6 months of doing it daily, I declared myself cured because I had no observable symptoms. Then, after stopping it for many months, I recently had a twitching flare up, but nowhere as bad as my initial onset, or the 4 years following. I'm restarting Qigong, so only time will tell if that seems to play a role in diminished or eradicated symptoms. Even if it does help, I would still question whether it had to do with an increased "energy flow" or a natural consequence of a "relaxation response" triggered by the deep breathing and relaxation that it induces. If the goal is reduced symptoms, then who cares! :-). If the goal also includes a deeper understanding of the process, then that's a different story.

jerry2 wrote:I found another wierd theory about our souls leaving our bodies if they are hurt, at night so that is why I may have vivid dreams that make me more tired then rested in the morning... And I am shaking when my soul is returning to my body that is why I have tremor because the soul is returning to fast. Anyway, anyone can believe what he or she wants, this I don't "buy". The Chinese medicine on the other hand, seems promising, but in my country there are no such specialists.

I am often amused by what people consider "weird," even before they've done a good deal of research on a topic. But before "buying" anything, you should at least get the theories straight in your mind. Without going into detail, it isn't the soul that leaves your body during sleep, it's your consciousness that happens to be functioning on a different level while your physical brain is unconscious/asleep. There are many theories--scientific, esoteric, and eastern--that describe different views of these "levels" (dimensions), but finding any agreement in theory or terms is impossible. The subject area includes everything from NDEs and OBEs, why TCM may actually work, and even why physical illness arises in the first place. Enough research has convinced me that these dimensions exist, but practical application isn't easy. However, I find them incredibly interesting, and way more complex than either Western medicine or even TCM.

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Re: Chinese medicine

Postby jerry2 on January 31st, 2012, 2:13 am

Thanx for clearing thqat up for me, I didn't do a good research on the topic, I just found a subject on morning trembling hands and that somehow "something" is returning to my phisical body the wrong way.
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Re: Chinese medicine

Postby cincila on January 31st, 2012, 2:25 am

Hello,

I am doing Chinese acupuncture for my BFS and back pain problems. I only did 2 sessions till now, however I will keep you posted how it goes. I can tell, that my back pain problems are almost gone, but as for Bfs and twitching, I think it may take longer.
Nevertheless, they really take you as a whole and try to connect different parts aof your body and life... its weird, but the doctor (he is actually also a real doctor) I am going to, has a great references... I will report. :D
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Re: Chinese medicine

Postby wjjw on January 31st, 2012, 7:54 am

jerry2 wrote:Thanx for clearing thqat up for me, I didn't do a good research on the topic, I just found a subject on morning trembling hands and that somehow "something" is returning to my phisical body the wrong way.

Yeah, that part sounds weird to me too. :)

Maybe if I get a chance sometime, I'll post a description of some of the basic breathing exercises to the off topic lounge.
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Re: Chinese medicine

Postby jerry2 on January 31st, 2012, 7:55 am

THanx. But when I sleep I can not control how I breathe unfortunately.
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Re: Chinese medicine

Postby cheeky-pie on February 5th, 2012, 11:26 am

I have tried chinese herbs and thought it would help clear out the heavy metal toxin's in the body. But so far I have had a bad experience, my fatigue and twitches got alot worse and they interferred with my AD meds.

So at the moment i am on OMEGA 9 supplements, cutting down the caffeine and sugar intake, upping antioxident intake through diet only. Fingers crossed that it will help.. But most importantly i have tried to meditate regularly which has been help with my anxiety levels..

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Re: Chinese medicine

Postby jerry2 on February 9th, 2012, 8:22 am

I have a question, as I have health anxiety...

What precautions should I take if I go to acupuncture that I won't get some infection? I've heard you can get pretty bad infection from the needles :-(
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Re: Chinese medicine

Postby chrissi on February 9th, 2012, 8:56 am

No, those needles are single packed and sterile. They are very very thin too, I never heard of anyone getting an infection and acupuncture is a very common thing here.
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Re: Chinese medicine

Postby jerry2 on February 9th, 2012, 9:00 am

So I must take care that they are single packed?

I have Classic Chinese Medicine examination tommorow and I'll report how it goes. From what I read they look your eyes and tongue, which is wierd to me, but... I will put my thought aside and let it be...

BTW Chrissi, does acupuncture hurts? Is this like preparation for EMG ;-) If I live through acupuncture I will live through EMG, that kind of stuff? ;-)
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Re: Chinese medicine

Postby jerry2 on February 10th, 2012, 6:59 am

Ok, I went to the doctor. I think I svcare every doctor, either Eastern or Western :-( When I told him all the symptoms I think he got scared, he told me I have so much problems that perhaps there is something wrong with my body. Of course there is. He has a sign that he heals from depression to sport injuries and infertility... HEALS...

When I told him I allready went to the doctor he got more relaxed. He looked at my tongue and carefully metered my pulse with hand. He told mi I have Chi blockage in my liver and my spleen, but more on the liver. He told me he can not help me with the blockage to remove the cause of it, but acupuncture can relieve some of my symptoms. He suggested 20 therapies, one each day the first 10 and the others 3 times a week. He showed me the needles and I almost past out and I am not easily scared of injection and I have to give blood etc... The fu.... needles are 2 inch long! I asked if they go inside all the way and he told me somtimes, it depends where it goes...

He just told me that the liver blockage emotion most usually associated with it is ANGER. He told me same as my therapist did :-&

Man, I mean, if he gives me 10-20 needles long like this, how sore will I be the next day to get them again ??? This is like what, EMG x 10 then (I haven't been on the acupuncture nor EMG so I can not compare), but they looked quite scary. Then again, if it helps any ... it is worth it. And yes, the needles are single packed and new every time.

Any experience from the acupuncture?

I asked him if there are not some herbs for Chinese medicine and unfortunately they are not allowed in EU :-((( I went to see what a liver blockage indications would be and I got really scared, it is like you are reading my problems:

"Indications:
Liver Yang uprising and internal Liver wind with Liver and Kidney Yin deficiency presenting with pounding headaches at the temples, behind the eyes, or top of the head, dizziness, vertigo, stiffness and pain in the neck and shoulders, parasthesias of the extremities including, numbness, twitching, tremors or spasms, convulsions, deviation of the mouth and eyes, tinnitus, hearing loss, blurred vision, visual disturbances, red complexion, facial and neck flushing, a sensation of heat rushing to the head, irritability, easily angered, tendency to feel warm and restless, insomnia, restless sleep, dream-disturbed sleep, thirst for cold drinks, dark or concentrated urine, constipation. Tongue: red, possibly stiff or trembling Pulse: wiry, rapid"

I even have the tendency to feel warm that is why I am "suffering now at -15 celsius" and go to sauna regularly. And yes, even my tongue is trembling, evry muscle seems to be trembling when I put it on "half power" not "full power" flexion... And because the list is not very long (MS list had about 150 syptoms everybody can relate) I find that quite scary to list my symptoms like this... There really must be something with this energy flow... Only the pain of the muscles is missing...
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Re: Chinese medicine

Postby jerry2 on February 10th, 2012, 10:18 am

Isn't that sad? Because of some stupid law you can not buy Tian Ma Gou Teng Wan in Europe any more :-( Everything is sold out. I can buy it from some USA store I guess, but I'll pay custom like crazy as the postage itself for one bottle is 60 $ ??!?!?!?!?
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Re: Chinese medicine

Postby wjjw on February 11th, 2012, 7:20 am

jerry2 wrote:Any experience from the acupuncture?

I've had acupuncture several times, from two different people. I found it to be an extremely relaxing and not in any way painful. Sometimes, after insertion they may adjust a needle, and you feel a "twinge," but no big deal. My friends have had similar experiences, as did my wife. A few times she felt as if she were "floating" over the table.

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