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Re: Info i read and got panicked

Postby Pascal35 on December 26th, 2014, 3:23 am

Hi Secretagent,

Fear of death or fear of being disabled and die helpless do have more or less the same starting point.
I agree that the only solution is to break the circle. I am very open and happy to try different methods.
About hypnosis i am very interested to know more. Isn't it dangerous though? Don't you have to find a TOP expert on that field in order to get it properly done?
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Re: Info i read and got panicked

Postby Pascal35 on December 26th, 2014, 3:24 am

Yuliasir wrote:Wish you get it back in the New Year!


Let's hope :-) Thanks
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Re: Info i read and got panicked

Postby Yuliasir on December 26th, 2014, 3:45 am

I used to worry about HIV. I went, i had the blood tests and then all fine..move on.
Cancers, the same. Heart condition the same...
But this time is totally different. There is no such test that can give you definite answers. Over the last 13 months i had many many EMGs in all the regions.


exactly what I mean to say.
Anxiety disorder is in fact a kind of endogenic substance abuse. Stress relieves endorphines, whether we want joy or not - we WILL after strong stress, this is how the body works. Endorphines are necessary to heal wounds, to relax squized muscles and to smooth any grief we may have in relation to stress.
So some of your secondary benefits are endorphines you enjoy each time in the cycle of reassurance and fear. Ans see - you started from condition which is easy to determine (HIV tests are quite reliable) to other wihich need more investigation and more procedures and finally your mind found an endless source of endorhines - ALS! Nobody knows the reason. No test to exclude definitely. No prevention. Complete 100 % uncertainity and no promise of hope (except common sence but it is switched off usually when it goes so far). Stress mimics symptomes well enough to sustain itself...
ALS fear is ideal for keeping anxiety disorder on the run and therefore having endless source of endorphines. Ok, adverese events exist but... each pleasure has its cost.

We are really very much like drug addicts. Deep addicts even do not get pleasure form drinking or consuming drugs - they just need them to keep miserable living... So we are. We do not enjoy our endorphines any more, we just need another shot just barely to live, otherwise fear consumes us... and every time the more and more fear is required to release another portion... I think it is far worse than any drug addiction becasue we are the factory, the dealer and the drug - all in one. That is why it is harder to quit.

Practically, the way out is the same as for other addicitinos - abstinention (in oir case for the unnecessary information), change of lifestyle/environment, substitution therapy, patience, love, time, strong self-control, psychotherpay, etc. And as well as for drug addicts, there is no cure - only remission, more or less long, and we have to be cautios to make it as long as possible.
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Re: Info i read and got panicked

Postby Pascal35 on December 26th, 2014, 6:34 am

Yuliasir, you truly should start working as a psychologist.
All your statements and advices are better than of some top professionals.
I'm actually feeling that I'm having many therapy sessions for FREE :-) so thanks to everyone here.

Realistically speaking. There are ways to see the glass half full and half empty.
The onset of my story doesn't really make sense and should ease my mind.
The initial twitches to my right arm started after an extensive 1 month period of huge emotional stress because I had a fear I had MS. Again without any real symptoms to worry about MS.
So in my case if I developed ALS (I hope and pray not) I must have developed it myself due to oxidative stress probably...sounds ridiculous but this is really my fear.

Why all those years that I was anxious about health issues I never had any twitches...?
So again I'm describing the current situation which finds me making online investigation and personal health and strength tests throughout the day.
So yes. I want to fight the cause of my fear. I want to fight the forest and not looking at the tree BUT how can I do it if I'm not really convinced first that I'm not in a pre-symptomatic (or minimal symptomatic) phase of a terminal illness...?
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Re: Info i read and got panicked

Postby Yuliasir on December 26th, 2014, 7:06 am

oh no I am toooo intolerant and impatient and on the other side tooo much involved emotionally for a good psychologist :))) free volunteer job like that is all what I can do.

I myself got twitching only at the age of 41 or so despite on being anxious wreck since 6 yo. I think there is a threshold somwhere after which we start twitching bodywide.

BUT how can I do it if I'm not really convinced first that I'm not in a pre-symptomatic (or minimal symptomatic) phase of a terminal illness...?


That is why you need a real specialist on mood disorders who know how to work with people in your condition.
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Re: Info i read and got panicked

Postby SecretAgentMan on December 26th, 2014, 8:42 am

Pascal35 wrote:Hi Secretagent,

Fear of death or fear of being disabled and die helpless do have more or less the same starting point.
I agree that the only solution is to break the circle. I am very open and happy to try different methods.
About hypnosis i am very interested to know more. Isn't it dangerous though? Don't you have to find a TOP expert on that field in order to get it properly done?


There is a lot of confusion and misunderstanding on the subject of hypnosis. I actually became a certified hypnotist this past summer so I can try to clear up any questions you may have. First of all hypnosis is not dangerous. You actually put yourself into a state of hypnosis on a daily basis. All that is required for hypnosis to take place is that you allow your brainwave cycles to drop from the normal waking state or Beta range (15 - 30 Hz) into a relaxed state or Alpha range (9 - 14 Hz). The ultra relaxed state is the Theta range (4 - 8 Hz) and sleep takes place in the Delta range (1 - 3 Hz). Hypnosis is most commonly practiced in the Alpha range but also takes place in Theta and Detla ranges too. This means anytime you relax and let your mind wander you are in a state of natural hypnosis. We go into this state when we drive on autopilot, take a shower, read a book, watch a movie, or daydream. We are in a state of hypnosis even when we sleep. This is why we can listen to positive audio recordings in our sleep and they can have positive influences on our subconscious minds.

So you see, hypnosis is just a word to describe a relaxed state of mind. When you work with a hypnotherapist you are consciously going into that relaxed state in order to take advantage of it to accomplish some sort of personal goal. In these relaxed states our conscious and analytic mind lets its guard down and the subconscious mind is much more accessible. So many of our knee jerk, pre-programmed reactions come from the subconscious mind and our deeply held limiting beliefs. For example, when you read about some sort of health condition I will bet that in your mind you project yourself into that situation and imagine as though it is you that has this condition. This frightens you and so you look for physical indications that you do not actually have this condition. You look for the symptoms and markers to ensure that you are indeed fine. When you begin to doubt, you go to see professionals and have tests run to see if they can rule it out for you and set your mind at ease. Where does this chain reaction of events start? Other people can read about a health condition or illness and don't feel the need to check themselves for it. Why do you? Without even being consciously aware, your subconscious mind is walking you down the path of fear because that is what it has been programmed to do for whatever reason. The good news is that the subconscious mind can always unlearn bad habits and learn new good habits. You just have to know how to do it. Hypnosis is a great tool for doing this. It allows you to bypass the gatekeeper, the logical analytic mind that is always doubting and limiting. It gives you access to the pattern forming subconscious mind that is responsible for so much of what you do without even realizing it. By it's very definition, the subconscious mind operates below your conscious threshold of awareness.

It helps to see a professional to begin with, but by no means do you need to continue to only see a professional. You can practice self hypnosis or meditation to reach these slower brainwave states on your own. You can use your own inner monologue and mind to visualize the situations you want to change your behavior in. Play the scenario out in your mind the way you want it to go down, rather than how you typically react. Before you go on doing that though I would first recommend addressing the fears first. Since that is likely the root of so many of your problems it will be your biggest bang for the buck. Once you remove the intimidation factor your fears have over you it will be easier for you to change the way you react to certain stimuli that provoke the fear response. The reason being that the fear will no longer be as intimidating.
If your mind is your own worst enemy, why not make friends with it and turn it into your greatest ally? Mental discipline is achievable and there is help available. Learn what works for you, practice, and change your life for the better.
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