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Lucid dreaming

PostPosted: January 8th, 2015, 9:26 am
by rutra80
Anyone here tackled it? I guess it can serve as quite a relaxant, especially that fear of ALS is the main factor of BFS anxiety, and having lucid dreaming mastered has a potential of giving disabled people a kind of another life I imagine...

Re: Lucid dreaming

PostPosted: January 8th, 2015, 11:55 am
by SecretAgentMan
This is an interest of mine. I know, surprise surprise... I have had 4 lucid dreams and they have all been amazing. I am currently trying to master the art of being able to have one when I want but am still not there... yet! I am also taking an mp3 course in astral projection, which is very similar to lucid dreaming. Very interesting stuff. I would be curious to see who else here has had experiences or is working towards something like this. Hopefully Bill chimes in too. :)

Re: Lucid dreaming

PostPosted: January 8th, 2015, 1:54 pm
by veryworried123
I have had the same thing

if anyone figures out how i can dream what we want please let me know

I always wanted to be a rock star playing in front of a full stadium of people


Re: Lucid dreaming

PostPosted: January 8th, 2015, 5:27 pm
by rutra80
Heh, there's lots of materials about LD on Internet veryworried, Google it and you'll find some techniques which, when mastered, would let you be concious in some of your dreams and pretty much control them.

I had a lucid dream only once, I was dreaming that I'm driving a car in some beautifull forest at dusk, suddenly I got aware that it's a dream, I started to conciously enjoy the vista, the smell of woodland summer air, a quiet humm of the engine, and overall easiness and smoothness of the moment but, as it often is with first LDs, the excitement woke me up very, very soon.
I was always fascinated by hypnosis and things like that, now having the shadow of ALS over me, I'm quite determined to get into lucid dreaming. Experienced lucid dreamers are able to induce a couple of lucid dreams a night. Most of the induction techniques seem to be suitable even for completely disabled people (if you master them while you're yet able to).

Re: Lucid dreaming

PostPosted: January 8th, 2015, 5:46 pm
by SecretAgentMan
This page has some useful tips on Lucid Dreaming without the need to purchase anything: ... dream.html

This particular link takes you to some information on how to have your first lucid dream if you've never had one. I admit after reading through it that there are many things on here I could be incorporating into my routine to help myself have more of them.

I remember my first lucid dream I was sitting in a classroom in the back. The class was full of students my age, young adults. The teacher was droning on about how to fill out some form and I was completely bored. I began to wonder why I was even in a class at all when I have a day job. Then it suddenly occurred to me that I did have a day job and that this must be a dream. I looked around in amazement at just how real everything looked and felt. I remember thinking to myself, "No wonder I never realize I'm dreaming because everything seems as real and solid as it does in my waking life." I even remember hitting my hands on the desk in front of me and feeling the solid smooth surface of the wood. Because I realized this was a dream I knew that I really didn't need to stay in the class. I got up and walked out. Everyone turned to look at me like, 'WTF are you doing? Class isn't over yet." I walked out into the hallway and was looking around at the environment and how real and solid it all seemed. I thought that if this was a dream then it would be fun to fly. I jumped to no avail. Gravity seemed to work just as it does here. I didn't know how to change that. I kept walking down the hall and started thinking about something else. As I walked I started to slowly float off the floor. I started flying and I didn't know how I did it. I got all excited and woke up. It was one of the coolest experiences ever. I've had a few more since then, but they have happened at seemingly random times. I highly recommend trying to have one because they are worth it.

Things seem so real it does make you really take a new perspective on what reality really is.

Re: Lucid dreaming

PostPosted: January 8th, 2015, 7:06 pm
by wjjw
I have never mastered LD or OBEs ("astral projection"). I find it interesting given the reason that you raise this. If you looked at my posts from ancient history (10 years ago), you will find one where (during the very brief period of about 1 month) that I had convinced myself that I was about to lose all bodily functions, I was seriously thinking that mastering the ability to have spontaneous OBEs would be an asset! However, I'm quite lazy, and it was easier to come to the completely sensible realization that twitching did not indicate such. and so to this point I've not disciplined myself enough to be able to produce them. I do however, contemplate on a daily basis, what is really going on. I've come to the conclusion that OBEs, LD, and NDEs are only a small and transient reflection of the fact that consciousness is filtered by brains, not produced by them. Someday, maybe I'll overcome my laziness and cultivate the ability to produce such interesting alternate states (even if I don't I'm sure they'll happen naturally). Meanwhile, I remain open to the endless possibilities and perspectives of what is actually occurring. Relax and take a few minutes to enjoy this brief video, and give it some thought:


Re: Lucid dreaming

PostPosted: January 8th, 2015, 7:58 pm
by SecretAgentMan
Wise insight as always Bill, thank you for sharing. I also watched the full video you shared. Fascinating information and it is in agreement with so much other information I have seen and read elsewhere. Thank you again.

Re: Lucid dreaming

PostPosted: January 9th, 2015, 9:30 am
by raindog
I actually cant honestly remember the last time i had a dream at all. :?

Re: Lucid dreaming

PostPosted: January 10th, 2015, 9:38 am
by SecretAgentMan
raindog wrote:I actually cant honestly remember the last time i had a dream at all. :?

At the time in my life when I developed BFS and struggled with the crazy symptoms, I was also not dreaming or at least aware that I was dreaming. I distinctly remember when I started to get better that I noticed I was dreaming again. The trend was that as time went on the BFS symptoms continued to diminish and my dreams got more and more vivid. Dreaming is part of the sleep cycle as the brain dips between the Theta and Delta range. Is not dreaming very often a standard symptom of BFS or is it just something that I and a few others experienced?

If it is related then this may give a little more insight to the neurological issues. I do recall reading about a study showing that patients with neurological conditions had excessive calcification of their pineal gland, also referred to by some as 'the third eye'. The pineal gland is in the geometric center of the brain, but it is not considered part of the brain and is not protected by the blood-brain barrier. The pineal gland also produces melotonin and serotonin for sleep and mood regulation. The pineal gland contains retina material similar to the eyes and is wired into the visual cortex of the brain. Interestingly when people who astral project there are always common reports of seeing a 'silver cord' running from their astral body back to the center of their physical bodies head, usually going out from the middle of the forehead or the back of the head. I have yet to have one of these experiences and have only had a handful of lucid dreams. I'm looking forward to the experience when I eventually succeed though. :)

Pineal gland calcification has been linked to... drum roll... quality of foods (diet) and quality of water. Probably the worst offender is the fluoride put into most public municipal water supplies. The fluoride accumulates in the pineal gland and contributes to the formation of hard mineral deposits, which act as the white, bonelike lumps we see in x-ray images. Doctors use these white clumps in the center to determine if patients have a tumor. The tumor will push the white lump to one side and this will show up in x-rays.

More research is required in this area but there isn't really a lot of activity going on that I am aware of to study these relationships further. It is interesting to note the correlations though. Dr. Reuven Sandyk from New York was pushing for more research into the pineal gland's role towards neurological disorders such as MS.

Re: Lucid dreaming

PostPosted: January 10th, 2015, 4:08 pm
by raindog
Thanks for the comprehensive and detailed reply/post. :) I was wondering if i was not getting to the REM stage of sleep due to the constant cramping.

I also have central apnea that even happens many times while i'm awake and kind of think this maybe to do with my way of trying to blank out the nerve pain ive been experiencing as i often find myself in a trance like state, daydreaming, miles away and very poor concentration ...i told this to my neuro who said it could be your bodies way of making opiates to combat the pain and while doing so your breathing rate takes long pauses. :|

Re: Lucid dreaming

PostPosted: January 11th, 2015, 10:17 am
by SecretAgentMan
Regarding dreaming raindog (or anyone else interested), you may want to try this trick out. A little over a year ago a lady came in to talk to a meditation group I was a part of. She had been trained by a doctor in France who was using a form of light therapy for things like sleep disorders, memory enhancement, increased focus, and other things like that. She gave a talk, a demonstration, and was of course selling specialized hand-held LED lights for use with their technique. I thought the information was very interesting, but not enough to spend the $ they were asking for the lights. Especially when I was still skeptical about the results they claimed were achievable. Fast forward to that night and the next morning. I woke up having had some of the most vivid dreams I could remember having in a long time. Don't get me wrong, I had been dreaming and could remember my dreams many mornings, but they were fleeting images, fragments, and general impressions of what the theme or experiences were. The vivid dreams that night were more intense and easier to remember. The experience seemed more real and memorable. More impressionable maybe? It is hard to describe. They were not lucid dreams, but just more vivid.

So what was this crazy light demonstration that seemingly led to a night of vivid dreams? Basically it was this. Have you ever had a camera flash go off in your face and you are left with that dot that is temporarily burned into your vision? After a few minutes it slowly dissipates and goes away. Well, they sell lights that are calibrated to a specific intensity and wavelength of light so that it does not damage your eyes and supposedly stimulates the neurons in your brain. You stare into the light for about 30 seconds, close your eyes and focus on the small circle of light that is temporarily imprinted into your vision. With your eyes closed it just looks like a small circle of light against the pitch black backdrop. When you actually focus on it and look at it though, you will notice that it is made up of different colors. Over the course of the next 3 to 5 minutes you just watch as it changes colors and slowly shrinks until you can no longer see it. It is a short meditation exercise basically.

What makes this simple exercise so interesting are the background information that comes along with it. Light is basically just photons. The photon is one of the most basic fundamental elements of matter in the known universe. It is a little packet of energy that behaves like both a particle when observed and a wave when not observed. Double slit experiments have demonstrated this strange behavior of photons. Photons also carry information, as simple and basic as they are. This is why lasers (organized coherent light) can be used to produce holographic images. The light contains the information. Photons demonstrate quantum entanglement with other photons, where information can be transmitted across vast distances of space faster than the known boundary, the speed of light. Ironically this means light can communicate with light, faster than the speed of light... :)

So those are the properties of light itself, but what about light and us? In the year 1984 Dr. Peter Gariaev was studying DNA and was doing experiments with lasers. When Gariaev put a sample of DNA in a tiny quartz container, zapped it with a mild laser, and then observed it with sensitive equipment that could detect even single photons of light, he found that the DNA acted like a light sponge. Somehow, the DNA molecule absorbed all the photons of light in the area, and actually stored them in a corkscrew-shaped spiral. Dr. Gariaev made many other strange and interesting discoveries working with DNA and light but most relevant to our discussion here is that he found that the DNA molecule captures and stores light. They discovered that DNA of healthy cells captures, stores, and releases light in a regular rhythmic way. Interestingly, the DNA of unhealthy cells either does not store enough light or stores too much light. In the case of cells with cancer, the DNA molecule will capture light and release it at a different scrambled frequency. They actually observed that when someone is stressed their cells start releasing more and more of their stored light. Fascinating stuff to read up on.

Going back to our discussion though, the eye is directly wired to the visual cortex of the brain. Remember that so is the pineal gland or 3rd eye. What is it about looking into an intense light and then focusing on the color show afterwards with your eyes closed that can yield so many unusual benefits? Going back to the research of Dr. Gariaev and the others who followed in his work, it seems that this light may be more a part of our vitality than is currently understood in the mainstream. Along with the presentation and information we received the woman who came to talk to us had also mentioned that the Shaman would spend hours looking into a fire to go on vision quests. It occurred to me that it was not necessary to buy an expensively over-priced LED light for a similar experience. A candle flame was all that was required, provided by nature. I have found that doing this exercise with a simple candle held in your lap or sitting on a table comfortably in front of you is just as effective as the light the lady brought to show our group. A simple household candle flame is also obviously not bright enough to damage your eyes by looking into it. It is perfect for doing this exercise I have found.

If you look into the candle flame for 30~45 seconds and close your eyes you will see the dot of colored light. Observe it and watch it shift and change colors over the next 3 to 5 minutes as it slowly shrinks and goes away. Feel free to repeat if you desire, but just once usually all I need, and it is all that I needed the first time I had the vivid dream experience. All in all this will take you less than 10 minutes. You might think it sounds absolutely ridiculous, but I'd ask you to keep in mind all of the strange weird science surrounding the nature of the photon and how it interacts with us and our DNA. There are so many things we do not know. The results are interesting and positive enough that doctors are developing light therapies based on the phenomenon. Maybe try giving it a shot yourself and see if you don't have a dream experience you can remember. Perhaps it will help with your focus and concentration as well. Who knows. I just thought I would share.

Re: Lucid dreaming

PostPosted: January 12th, 2015, 7:30 am
by rutra80
Raindog if as SAM says you don't have sleep disorders, you shall have several dreams a night but possibly not remember them.
As for me, I have quite many sleep disorders, but often I remember my dreams.
Regarding something similar to light artifacts, sometimes when I wake up at night I have a dark spot in the middle of my vision which disappears after few seconds. Perhaps it has something to do with optic nerves, because I also have a problem that if I look sideways at unnatural angles similar black spots appear in my vision, ophthalmologist claim no problems though. I also have a problem that if I get awaken abruptly, I smell smoke for few seconds even though there is no such smell in the surroundings, it could be related to some kind of epilepsy but I had EEG and it showed no problems either. Also I have sleep apnea, sleepwalking (once I even removed curtains in my room, I only remember being tired and unhappy by keeping my arms up :mrgreen: ), sleeptalking (arguing to my wife about something absurd seems to be my fav), and in high fever I get completely out, sitting with my eyes open, seeing some hellish visions and talking about how I'm going to die there :roll:

Re: Lucid dreaming

PostPosted: January 12th, 2015, 10:49 am
by Ghayes420
Weird dream states and lucid dreaming have been with me for years. I have sleep apnea when in the supine position because of my large neck and tongue. I am fairly ok on my side.

Raindog, I know you haven't been a daily user for a long period of time but marijuana will almost completely remove the REM stage where lucid dreams occur. I didn't have dreams for years. After I stopped smoking for a bit, the dreams come back with extreme intensity, especially the first week or so after quitting. This is actually a known side effect of discontinuing THC. When I re-continue, the dreams either lessen or stop altogether.

Sorry, this is kind of off topic here but just thought I would throw that fact out there.

Re: Lucid dreaming

PostPosted: January 12th, 2015, 10:58 am
by johnnythejet
I dreamt that a hamburger was eating ME!

Re: Lucid dreaming

PostPosted: January 17th, 2015, 4:34 am
by raindog
johnnythejet wrote:I dreamt that a hamburger was eating ME!

And when you awake Johnny was it the wife/girlfriend ? :lol: