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Re: hand atrophy

PostPosted: January 8th, 2015, 2:31 am
by Sadface
Back to feeling worried again.

Left hand has been giving me trouble for the last 2 weeks at least. Small cramps and aches etc
I have previously shown my concern on the palm atrophy
But now I feel this has got worse and on the top of my hand to.
I can see some muscle between the thumb and finger, but when I move me hand it looks sunken.

Getting so annoyed with myself

Re: hand atrophy

PostPosted: January 8th, 2015, 4:17 am
by Sadface
I'm going to have to do the dreaded video upload.
Although I am obviously concerned, my mindset is a bit better so please feel free to give honest opinions.
I just feel at a stage where I want to know....then get on with my life.

Thank you for reading/watching

Is this atrophy: http://youtu.be/oXSaE2Qu-No

Re: hand atrophy

PostPosted: January 8th, 2015, 4:34 am
by Yuliasir
nice cat :)
nope you do not have atrophy of the hand musculature. I had seen decent bulk of the muscles when you place thumb abd index finger together, and this is all that you need to have in a healthy nand.

Re: hand atrophy

PostPosted: January 8th, 2015, 4:54 am
by Sadface
Haha the cat was wondering what I was doing.
Yeah I realise I still have some muscle there. But it seems to be very soft and disappears easily when I move my thumb .
Hand obsessed at the moment.

Re: hand atrophy

PostPosted: January 8th, 2015, 5:18 am
by readytocheckout
Sadface wrote:Is this atrophy


You posted the same video that I was going to, my hands are the same as yours and I've been wondering about that same muscle because I have lost bulk in that part of my hands.

I think you're trying to show the first dorsal interosseous muscle?? Anyway I showed my rheumatologist the same "atrophy" so he sent me to a neuro for an emg, the emg included that exact same muscle on both hands and it was clean, my rheumy also said it isn't atrophy and my gp said it's fat loss. I've got no idea why there'd be fat loss there but that seems to be happening all over both my hands and feet. The veins and tendons on my hands and feet are much more visible since this bfs circus started so I don't know!

My index finger and thumb still work so if it was really atrophy I'm sure there'd be some deficit by now, I started to notice it about 18 months ago and that part of my hands has been slowly losing bulk ever since, but nothing to worry the neuro's (yes neuro's as in plural) and certainly nothing to annoy the emg machine! Hope this helps.

Re: hand atrophy

PostPosted: January 8th, 2015, 5:21 am
by Yuliasir
But this is perfectly NORMAl.
unless you are a farmer, carpenter etc, and even in those cases thumb moving muscle visible between the thumb abd index finger seldom could be hard and too much bulky :) "disappearance' of this muscle when moving a nahd is essential for proper movement of the thumb - one really should be concerned about not being able to extend the thumb aside and make this area flat (in fact paresis of the hand is accompanied by so called monkey hand - when the thumb gets abducted to the rest of the palm and hardly could be moved aside) - so if you could freely make it flat and bulky again, it means you have perfectly healthy hand.


I do not know how else I could explain you that your hand is not worth any obsession.

wish you were playing with the cat and do not puzzle it with your hand moving not on his or her nice blacky head :))) Tickle the little creature - it is one of the best psychotherapies and it is very pleasant :)))

Re: hand atrophy

PostPosted: January 8th, 2015, 4:14 pm
by Sadface
Thank you for comments.

Did you upload your video?


I believe I'm very tuned into this hand at present, and the twitches that come and go ever few moments, drive me insane . Hot spot maybe.

Re: hand atrophy

PostPosted: January 9th, 2015, 5:28 pm
by Sadface
The cramps in this hard are driving me insane
Constant ache. Over think g I'm dropping things.
What can ease this discomfort? I try heat in it, which helps to an extent. Doesn't stop twitching but does ease the ache and soar cramps.

Re: hand atrophy

PostPosted: January 9th, 2015, 8:58 pm
by misterjuanperalta
Take a look at this diagram before thinking you have hand atrophy - http://www.corpshumain.ca/en/images/mus ... e_F_en.jpg

Take a look at this diagram before thinking you have forearm atrophy - http://higheredbcs.wiley.com/legacy/col ... rearm2.jpg

If the suspicious area matches up to a tendon or bone, then it's a fatty mass deficit, which is totally okay. Applies to all suspicious areas.

Relevant nerves and spine connections: http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1 ... #aw2aab6b7

Re: hand atrophy

PostPosted: January 10th, 2015, 12:57 am
by Sadface
Thank you, although not really sure how it helps? (I don't mean that to come across rude.)
Is it..... If I compare to the diagram where I feel atrophy is, then if it's a bone on the diagram then it's not atrophy?

The dents I fear and re on my palm.
On the top of hand I get concerned te the muscle between thumb and finger.

Re: hand atrophy

PostPosted: January 10th, 2015, 1:06 am
by Yuliasir
Why you are so concerned about dents on the palm? There is no motor musces on it (except the thumb moving) and the palm is practically should be dented in various manner. Your top side looks absolutely normal, as mmany people said to you, and crapms are caused by constant self-tests. I was on this road so I know what I say.

Re: hand atrophy

PostPosted: January 10th, 2015, 1:27 am
by Sadface
I think it's because i saw an image on google of atrophy on the palm. I thought "well I have that bit, and that bit."

Other than holding my rather large phone In the left hand, then that's it for my self testing of it.

Re: hand atrophy

PostPosted: January 10th, 2015, 2:18 am
by misterjuanperalta
I still don't see how I'm wrong.

Re: hand atrophy

PostPosted: January 10th, 2015, 3:14 am
by Sadface
I'm not saying your wring, I just don't understand properly what im looking at, and hoe to compare it.

Re: hand atrophy

PostPosted: January 12th, 2015, 5:32 pm
by Sadface
Doctor looked at my hand from afar.
Said couldn't see what I see.