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Re: Food results are in

Postby Little Lost on September 9th, 2014, 12:30 pm

Hi SAM

Saw this today and thought of what you were talking about in this post. Neurologists witness brain to brain communication, an international team of neuroscientists and robotics engineers has demonstrated the viability of direct brain-to-brain communication in humans

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 105646.htm

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Thought it might interest you.
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Re: Food results are in

Postby SecretAgentMan on September 14th, 2014, 12:55 pm

Hi Little Lost,

Sorry for the delay in response, but I was on vacation for the last two weeks. Thanks for thinking of me. I'm very happy to see research like this breaking into the mainstream because I think it can do wonders for many of the problems that humanity is facing on multiple fronts. I agree with Nicholas Tesla when he said, “The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.”

Regarding telepathy, I think it is interesting how so many people will flat out say that they do not believe in it and then turn around and fully dedicate themselves to telepathically communicating with non-physical beings in church every Sunday (praying). I suppose it is just a part of human nature for people to not even consider things that make them uncomfortable by going against their current held belief structure. If we ever want to truly make progress as individuals or as a species, asking tough questions and keeping an open mind will be required though. It is easier said than done, but very worth the effort.

There really isn't anything to fear in this regard though. It is just a natural part of who we all are. Anyone who wants to have an experience for themselves can do so and prove this nature of themselves to themselves, through having a direct first-hand experience. This is one of the reasons I appreciate the disclosure of the military's former remote viewing program. The process was founded under squeaky clean conditions with hard science. Even the CIA, who funded the research initially, sent out their own specialists to try and debunk the amazing results that the Stanford Research Institute was getting. They ended up proving it to the specialist by having him do the remote viewing himself. We all have the ability. We just aren't hard wired for it to be easy. It can be developed though and the history of RV shows this time and time again. Anyway, thank you again for posting the story.
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Re: Food results are in

Postby wjjw on September 14th, 2014, 6:22 pm

SecretAgentMan wrote:Hi Little Lost,

Sorry for the delay in response, but I was on vacation for the last two weeks. Thanks for thinking of me. I'm very happy to see research like this breaking into the mainstream because I think it can do wonders for many of the problems that humanity is facing on multiple fronts. I agree with Nicholas Tesla when he said, “The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.”

Regarding telepathy, I think it is interesting how so many people will flat out say that they do not believe in it and then turn around and fully dedicate themselves to telepathically communicating with non-physical beings in church every Sunday (praying). I suppose it is just a part of human nature for people to not even consider things that make them uncomfortable by going against their current held belief structure. If we ever want to truly make progress as individuals or as a species, asking tough questions and keeping an open mind will be required though. It is easier said than done, but very worth the effort.

I get a kick of of this, because the linked article is deemed "safe" by "science" only because brains are involved. But telepathy involves brains only inasmuch as the thoughts happen to register in them, and get perceived by the conscious "mind." But telepathy by definition occurs independently of brains. Yet a search on sciencedaily.com for telepathy yields zero results. Truly revolutionary ideas will surface only once we get beyond this, and realize that the small but significant effect demonstrated by 30 years of ganzfeld studies is not a statistical artifact--it is a truly amazing, latent, and neglected human capability.

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Re: Food results are in

Postby RGB on September 14th, 2014, 6:55 pm

Little Lost wrote:
Saw this today and thought of what you were talking about in this post. Neurologists witness brain to brain communication, an international team of neuroscientists and robotics engineers has demonstrated the viability of direct brain-to-brain communication in humans

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 105646.htm

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Lookout, hear comes a cynic .. :) ...

Once you get into the detail this study isn't nearly as interesting as it sounds. I think Marconi beat them to this by more than 100 years; it is really only the proof that electrical signals can be transmitted over large distances, albeit with some clever encoding/decoding at either end.

I admit to being a tiny bit unfair in that statement, but it it still remains more accurate a claim than the one than that this is anywhere near a 'proof' of telepathy.

RGB

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Re: Food results are in

Postby Yuliasir on September 15th, 2014, 12:40 am

agree with RGB :) in fact the article is about the chance to code EEG into binary code and send it ovber the world to another person to decode. Well, possibly a chrysalis of communication means for people with a child paralysis (who really experience sever difficulties in typing or writing due to hypertonus of hands and have also speaking troubles due to same hypertonus of throat and fase musculature...) or a way to communicate for people otherwise limited in speech and gesture abilities, but still very first steps :) nothing about direct brain to brain communication or telepathy confirmed
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Re: Food results are in

Postby SecretAgentMan on September 15th, 2014, 5:57 am

RGB knows me well... :) We can indeed agree to disagree in a civil manner, which is a rare find on the internets today.

I believe the point that Bill is trying to make is the focus on the brain with the exclusion of the mind is a problem here and I agree. Scientists cannot even find where memories are stored in the physical brain yet, so it does not surprise me that they cannot locate a telepathy button. They are looking in the wrong place. Although the mind is very much related to the brain, they are very much separate and distinct from one another. There is much evidence and yes, even science, to support this, but it makes most people uncomfortable so it is ignored or buried.

The good news is that anyone who wants to know for themselves can prove it to themselves by having a first-hand experience. I like to reference Remote Viewing because it is very much rooted in science and it was developed under the strictest of scientific protocols. People who call it pseudo-science aren't doing their due diligence, nor are they bothering to try it for themselves. A true skeptic has an open mind to consider all the options on the table. People who go in with their minds already made up to the contrary are just playing lip service to skepticism while they devote themselves to maintaining and defending their currently held belief system. Even the truth cannot get in to a closed mind. Anyway, for your viewing pleasure here is a brief video clip of an RV demonstration that was performed on UPN news back in 1998. Anyone can do this folks. You just need to learn how. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-HlKxEopWI
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Re: Food results are in

Postby RGB on September 15th, 2014, 9:11 pm

SecretAgentMan wrote: Although the mind is very much related to the brain, they are very much separate and distinct from one another.


We agree on this. Materialists are devising ever more ridiculous solutions to 'the hard problem' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_probl ... sciousness) because they are, to use a not very scientific term, clearly barking up the wrong tree! Science is so succesful because it restricts itself to the material and then (what a surprise!) finds it is explained by only the material. The scientific method is incredibly powerful, just not all encompassing.

Where I think we might disagree is on how much we are prepared to believe outside of the traditional scientific view, and how we decide on the appropriate burden of proof.



I watched but all I am prepared to conclude is that we are pattern-seeking animals in all kinds of ways :)

Sorry, have taken this away from 'Food results are in' or even BFS (although anything requiring proper thought takes the mind off the twitches and it may even reduce them). I'll blame Little Lost, but only because I am a safe distance away!

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Re: Food results are in

Postby SecretAgentMan on September 16th, 2014, 7:58 pm

I'm happy to hear we agree. I also agree that the scientific method is powerful, but limited by the material.

I do have one more short video for you or anyone else interested that is a brief interview clip of Dr. Hal Puthoff, who was one of the physicists at the Stanford Research Institute who worked on the CIA funded project to reverse engineer human intuitive abilities. It was through this research that the RV processes and protocols were born, so that it could be taught to anyone for use in various operational fields. The CIA, Army, Special Forces, and even the Air Force were all documented to have programs among others. The ability goes far beyond just pattern recognition, which you can verify with a little research. I like Dr. Puthoff's interviews and recommend some of the extended video presentations and interviews available on youtube for anyone interested. He definitely has the credentials, has the experiential background and history, as well as a very level headed and rational demeanor. Anyway, I like this short clip just because it demonstrates the capability of good Remote Viewers and does lightly address the electromagnetic brainwave theories tossed around, like referenced in the link shared by Little Lost. The zero point energy field he talks about by the way, I believe is the exact same energy field that acupuncturists feel and work with. Everything is connected. Anyway, enjoy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmSr_RMGlcI
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Re: Food results are in

Postby Little Lost on September 16th, 2014, 10:08 pm

Hello quick post....

As a research scientists working in mainstream I would not be afraid to challenge scientific dogmas. I also find it hard to fully accept the materialist paradigm ( mind is a product of electrical activity in the brain, ) I accept the scientific method is a model that deals in the material and physical, so therefore imposes the limit that no reality can exist except a material reality.

The abstract below highlights the problem well.

Invest Clin. 2014 Jun;55(2):103-6.
[Is the brain the creator of psychic phenomena or is a paradigm shift inevitable?].
Bonilla E.
Abstract
Every day new scientific information is appearing that cannot be explained using the classical Newtonian model and is calling for the emergence of a new paradigm that would include the explanation of such phenomena as telepathy, clairvoyance, presentiment, precognition, out of the body experiences, psychic healing, after-death communication, near-death experiences and reincarnation. The materialist paradigm which considers the brain as the sole cause of consciousness and psychic phenomena has been challenged by a new paradigm that seems to demonstrate that there is not a cause-effect relationship between brain activity and psychic phenomena but only a correlation between them, since these phenomena can be experienced without the body and appear to have an extra-cerebral origin (cosmic field, cosmic consciousness?). Of course, the brain is intensely involved in the manifestation of consciousness in our daily life but this is not equivalent to affirm that brain creates consciousness. Recent findings force us to consider a non-physical, spiritual and transpersonal aspect of reality.

That said I like RGB am not sure how far out I can swim.

Before I read and watch SAM's video I will sit on the fence, but then I cant decide if it is it a real fence or the illusion conjured by the electrical processes in my brain/mind. Seriously though good discussion.


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Re: Food results are in

Postby SecretAgentMan on September 17th, 2014, 6:04 pm

Good discussion indeed! I like the point of the abstract you included in your post Little Lost. It does summarize the conundrum very well.

The great thing about all of this though is that as human beings we are all equipped with all that we need to truly explore these areas if we truly wish to seek answers to these questions. Think back to some sort of an amazing experience you once had that changed your perspective in life. Perhaps seeing the breathtaking views of the Grand Canyon in person and gaining a new appreciation for nature is one example. One can read every book on any particular subject, but it really all is just an academic exercise until you have an experience. Words can introduce us to ideas, concepts, and paint pictures of perspectives in our minds but without any direct experiences of our own to draw from the best we can do is conceptualize or relate to metaphors that reference more familiar experiences.

I realized some time ago after having a strong perspective changing experience that there really was no substitute for those first-hand opportunities for greater understanding. I was a little hesitant, resistance, and even a little fearful because I was venturing into unfamiliar territory. My desire to truly know for myself outweighed these reservations though. I learned RV from a $12 book I found at the discount bookstore. I shelled out $75 for an hour appointment with a hypnotherapist who specialized in past life regressions (PLRs). We're not talking a huge investment here. The experiences I got in return were life changers though and with each new experience I learned more and more that the reservations were really just resultant of my own comfort zone being pushed to the limits. As they say though, a mind expanded by the introduction of a new idea never goes back to its original form. It took me time to build the confidence and resolve to decide to have these experiences, but when I did I was happy afterwards that I had. I'm just referencing two examples here, as there have been many others. Now don't mistake this experience seeking mentality too far. I'm not condoning going out and trying crack to have the experience. I only do so where it is safe and reasonable. :)

So, by all means, I am not trying to push any ideas or concepts on anyone here. If you're not comfortable getting off the fence, then stay where you are comfortable. I do recommend continually pushing the limits of that comfort zone where it is reasonable and safe to do so. Otherwise there is not much opportunity for growth, expansion, thrill, and excitement. I simply post these subjects to put my 2 cents out there, especially since I see it all relevant to mindset and mindset is very much linked to physical health. We are amazing beings and we have incredible potential. We need not be spinning our wheels in anxiety, fear, and worry because that just feeds the BFS cycle. It just takes a little courage, resolve, and determination to start venturing into the realms of self-empowerment. I can't think of any better realization that self-empowers than the vastness and amazing potential of our non-physical side. Experiences are readily available because like I said, we're already hardwired (and softwired) with all that we need to have these experiences. Anyway, thanks again guys.
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