It happened again..tongue twitch..in the middle!

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It happened again..tongue twitch..in the middle!

Postby TwitchyDoc on March 27th, 2011, 8:36 am

Hi,
Been doing not so bad recently...mas first tongue twitch has 7 months ago. And today, all of sudden, I felt twithing in the middle of my tongue..went to mirror and saw it :( Lasted for few seconds..I am down again, scared, desperate :((
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Re: It happened again..tongue twitch..in the middle!

Postby mommylondon on March 27th, 2011, 11:39 am

TD, you know as well as I do, that a lot of us get tongue twitches occasionally. You should also know more than I do, that these kind of periodic twitches are not what they are looking for when they check the tongue during a clinical. There are some that even have constant twitching in there tongues and their docs are still not impressed and emg in their tongue was normal (I know one of these people personally and her tongue emg was spotless and all three of her neuros are saying its part of her BFS). You have nothing to fear. I myself do get an occasional tongue twitch or flutter on a daily basis, usually at least 3 times a day. I do my best to just ignore them because I truly believe once you become fixated on them, they will worsen, which is what happened to my friend from her, and she makes herself sick over this everyday even though her emg's were totally normal.

Please dont do this to your self. You are ok, I promise


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Postby TwitchyDoc on March 27th, 2011, 1:50 pm

Robynn, thank you..however I have not said that the half of tongue where I do experience the fasciculations is less meaty and looks more "irregular". I am affraid if it is not beginning of atrophy. I do know how advanced or moderate atrophy looks like but never seen it early in its course.
Combinations of these two factors just kills me.
PS: If you left the board, nobody would answer....I am so happy you stayed.
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Postby garym on March 27th, 2011, 9:58 pm

Tongue twitches are very, very common. I can think of 100's of discussions about them on this board and they are no more ominous than any other fascic. Also, can you talk clearly or whistle? I ask, because when I was a kid, I came down with bell's palsy. I was at a football game and realized that liquid was running out of the corner of my mouth when i would drink through a straw. Then I realized I couldn't whistle anymore, and then came the slurred speech. That lasted about 3-4 months (pure torture for 7th grader) before it gradually subsided. When I was at my worst with BFS worry, I would always whistle to remind myself that my facial muscles were still working properly. No matter how bad the anxiety was, that whistling my music to my ears.

Hang in there, things will get better. If you truly have loss of mass in your tongue, that has increased over the past weeks or months, go see your doctor. If you are like me, and over analyze all your features until they become abnormal in your eyes, work on the anxiety.

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Re: It happened again..tongue twitch..in the middle!

Postby TwitchyDoc on March 28th, 2011, 1:59 am

Thanks Garym..btw you ever had clear tongue twitching? I cannot say I have muscle loss for sure but the right side of my tongue is a slightly smaller with a few little dimples but it is visible mostly at oblique light so the surface creates shadows.
I am too scared to go to the doc because if he confirmed it is slight atrophy, then combination with fasciculations and bodywide fasciculations leaves ALS and possibly SBMA as the only possibilites.
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Postby dARR on March 28th, 2011, 5:32 am

TwitchyDoc wrote:Thanks Garym..btw you ever had clear tongue twitching? I cannot say I have muscle loss for sure but the right side of my tongue is a slightly smaller with a few little dimples but it is visible mostly at oblique light so the surface creates shadows.
I am too scared to go to the doc because if he confirmed it is slight atrophy, then combination with fasciculations and bodywide fasciculations leaves ALS and possibly SBMA as the only possibilites.


Erm no. Those are not the only other possibilities. It is not a case of bfs(even with slight confirmed atrophy)OR mnd ever. Even if you have weakness, atrophy, twitches and a dirty filthy mucky emg you do NOT necessarily have mnd. Twitchdoc you know this with your medical background...your just not thinking straight. After 5 years of twitching its time to let this go mate.

Get your thought processes in check. This type of thinking is irrational als is rare and uber-super-mega rare (like golden chocobo rare) in people under 40. Base rate fallacy etc etc.

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Postby TwitchyDoc on March 28th, 2011, 9:13 am

dARR, I know but unfortunately tongue twitching, if malignant, has no cause with good prognosis.
Has everyone had twitches in the middle of tongue or more places at once? I do not mean constant, just like twitching in more places for a few seconds.
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Postby bw2 on March 28th, 2011, 11:26 am

i had a 6 month check up 5 weeks ago and i was feeling good up to about 2 weeks before my appoinment and i felt the tongue start twitching and then came the sensation of not talking right and so on and so forth. I was checking my tongue 50 times a day in a mirror, i was pushing on it thru my cheech, i was sticking it out moving it every direction and it would quiver and tingle and you name it. My neuro was very sympathetic and gave me the royal exam, even took the time to humor me and look at the quivering which he said every ones does. He then said i will perform the standard test of strobing the tongue and palet, then perform all the strength test and he said if all turns out good i had to promise him not to look at my tongue ever again and he would explain the whole process to me(he also said if he had a remote concern on what he saw we would do an immediate EMG of the tongue to further diagnose, but only if there was any indication of an abnormality). Well everything was perfectly normal, he explained that he knew before the exam that it was normal already just from me speaking but he wanted to ease my anxiety. He explained that the tongue is made of two halves and that if a problem was occuring one half would show abnormality first and if fasciculations were present caused by the damage, speech and swallowing would be profoundly affected well before then. He explained that this process is not slow but very aggressive. I told him that i feel a constant buzz in the tip and he said it is because your constantly doing things with it that are not normal and your mind is way too focused on it. He said prior to all of this twitching had you ever given the feeling of your tongue a thought other than when you bit it or burned it. obviously the answer was no and i haven't looked at my tongue since Feb 20 which is when my appointment was. I still feel the buzz at the tip hear and there but since i don't do all the other crap it is a thousand times better. I hope you don't waste anymore of your time worrying about this, i know it isnt fun but you just have to move on.
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Postby TwitchyDoc on March 28th, 2011, 11:30 am

bw2, thanks but from your reply I assume you never had tongue fasciculations. I mean visible flickering on a small portion of muscle which you could see and feel.
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Postby bw2 on March 28th, 2011, 11:35 am

i had exactly what you described and he turned out the lights and used the light to evaluate them, he said he saw a little movement on one side and asked if i felt it and i said yes and said it was still normal.
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Postby TwitchyDoc on March 28th, 2011, 11:46 am

Thanks for clarification, from your post I though you just feel the buzzing. It was terrible one I got yesterday, like on the thumb - 5x5 milimeters in the middle of my tongue twitched at least 10 times. Later I saw one that I could not feel on the edge.
Did he say its tongue fasciculation?
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Postby bw2 on March 28th, 2011, 12:12 pm

i hate to put this on here cause so many people are suggestive but the facts are the facts, he said it could have been a fasciculation but a fasciculation he would order an emg for would be constant and wave like and would have associated weakness. He still contends that most of the twitches are anxiety induced and can show up in any muscle at any time for any length of time. Without weakness they mean nothing from a clinical aspect. He is also very emphathetic to the fact that it is not normal to have this stuff happening and believes there has to be discomfort with it, but he stands by that they are not indicative of any neurological disease without clinical weakness and reflex change. (Which he said would then be confirmed by an EMG) He has seen many people with them over the years and not one time have they proven to be anything other than annoying to any of his patients. He told me everyone of us thinks the same thing, THIS IS THE BODY SIGNALING SOMETHING VERY BAD IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN. He assures me that is not the case. The mind is just very powerful and when you engage it where it doesnt belong, your in for a not so fun ride. This guy has been around almost 30 years, he has seen it all and diagnosed and treated every neurological condition. I am very persistent when i am at the doctors office and i asked a lot of questions and he laid it out in laymens terms, if he thought any of my symptoms had any potential severe health implications he would look me in the eye and tell me and make recommendations for the second opinion. I also asked him about all the walton report stuff and showed him a couple of the other internet findings and he reviewed and discussed with two Neuro as U of M ALS center and they all said the same thing. Fasics without weakness are not indicative of MND period. They concluded what DARR mentioned it is someone trying to put together a hypothesis that they can acquire grant money for, also none of them had ever heard of the Walton Centre either. they had to look it up to see if it was a real medical facility. hope that helps.
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Postby TwitchyDoc on March 28th, 2011, 12:18 pm

Thank you for such a a long asnwer, I do appreciate it much! Just one last question, do you still get tongue ones sometimes or this passed?
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Postby bw2 on March 28th, 2011, 12:28 pm

couple here and there, since i envoked the no look rule, i may have felt 5 or 6. When i was checking things out, i would get that in an hour. Take care my friend, you will get thru this.
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Postby mommylondon on March 28th, 2011, 2:00 pm

Bw2, You saved several with your posts on this thread. Thank you for taking the time.

Take care

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P.S. TD, you are good my friend, seriously, you are not alone with this.
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